Just met my CPC candidate and asked him about Grewal
Well, I just had an interesting conversation with the local CPC candidate at my door. He started to introduce himself and I told him that after the Grewal incident his party lost any chance for support I might have been willing to give it. I had no intentions of continuing on beyond that, but he said he wanted to hear what I had to say about it. So I quickly touched on the high points and made clear that I wanted to know who edited the May31 05 release, when did Harper know it was edited, and why once he knew it was edited it did he not explain to all Canadians how he and his party was a party to such a clearly fraudulent action. The candidate started to tell me about the CPC federal accountability act proposed, and I stopped him at that point and made clear that this does not change what happened last year, and that it was the contemporaneous actions of Harper and the CPC leadership that was the problem. That if a party and party leader has a scandal while they're in Opposition and they cover it up then instead of doing the right thing and being accountable for it, how can anyone believe that this party will be accountable for scandals when they are the government. Now, the candidate was trying to dance around this, and then told me he would look into it, that he had no answers for me because he had no information on the issues I was raising. That I was the first person he had met at the door that had even raised the issue. That he would be willing to look into this matter and get back to me. I gave him my phone number and the most important questions, who edited the May 31 05 release, when did Harper know it, and why instead of explaining to Canadians how this happened was the decision to pretend it never happened.
He told me he was a criminal lawyer by training, so I said to him that he should understand then why I would be so upset at specific criminal allegations being made using faked up evidence. He thanked me, asked that I be willing to hold the Liberals to the same standard, which I do. I also told him though that it is not the Liberals that keep telling me about how they are the only moral/honest/ethical party choice but rather the CPC, and which the Grewal scandal undercuts this completely. The one unfortunate thing is that I was rather passionate/upset, and because I am also having to deal with a severe chest cold and a mild fever from it I was a bit too intense and not really giving him much chance to reply. In that I was not being fair to the man, and if he does call me back or come back to my door I will apologize for that, it is only fair. I also made clear that I knew the May 31 05 release was heavily edited for content, and that I have never heard of another case in our political history where specific criminal allegations were made, that there was conclusive evidence to support the allegation, only to have that allegation to not only turn out to be fake, but that unedited the evidence clearly refutes the specific criminal allegation made.
I do not know if I will ever hear an answer to this, or whether I will simply be written off as a nut, an unreclaimable vote, or some sort of Liberal operative. I did find it interesting though that he assumed I was a Liberal because he never asked me to hold the NDP to the same standards I was holding the CPC, only the Liberals. If I do get an answer, or what the CPC considers an answer I will of course post it here. I do find it interesting to note though that he had no facts on the matter and that his only rebuttals were the accountability act and the fact Grewal was not running this time as if that somehow excused Harper and the CPC leadership for their own actions in this matter. I also made clear from the beginning that I was willing to accept the notion that Harper was played by one of his own, but that still did not excuse him from accountability to tell Canadians this once he realized this, and that his actions of claiming poor Grewal was the victim of a media campaign against him instead was NOT acceptable in my eyes, nor was it in any way indicative of a man interested in accountability. I also told the candidate that I used to be a commercial P.I. which was one of the main reasons I was so pissed about this and having my intelligence insulted so by this affair.
It will be interesting to see what he comes back with, and what he is told by his party leadership. My suspicion is that I will get no answer to who edited the recordings, and why Harper and company did not tell the Canadian public who it was and how this happened that they were played for chumps by whomever did this. That I will be asked to trust in the Act they intend on bringing in, and that the Grewal affair was an unfortunate occurrence. I know that especially CPC supporters think I make far too much of the Grewal affair, that it in their eyes was minor compared to all the Liberal money scandals. However, when any party, any party leader makes specific criminal allegations against anyone let alone political opponents, uses unconfirmed/authenticated evidence and claims it to be authentic and conclusive in nature, only to have that evidence turn out to be faked and that the full evidence exonerates the accused of the specific criminal allegation, what else might they be willing to make false/unconfirmed allegations about? Given we are in the post 9/11/01 world where suspicion is enough to get you sent for torture, where even Canadian citizens have no protections against such treatment, this is a very serious issue. Just ask Maher Arar. Indeed, seems to me that the CA and Harper thought initially that the concerns for this Canadian citizen deported by American to Syria was inappropriate, and that it was working against the so called War on Terror, and that we could and should trust our American brethren on this even where our own citizens are concerned.
Grewal is an unprecedented scandal in our history, and Harper and the CPC have done everything they can to date to pretend it never happened. That they did nothing wrong, whereas the Liberals on the recordings are the ones that should be crucified by the Canadian public and not Grewal or the CPC. When a party leader is willing to use questionable evidence to make serious allegations, especially criminal ones, it speaks clearly to the willingness to use anything no matter how questionable to attack an opponent and the willingness to believe in someone(s) being guilty before proven innocent, in this case even after they are proven innocent. This affair illustrates the embrace of some very disturbing thinking about how a democracy and society governed by the rule of law is supposed to work, and I find this to be a serious threat to the integrity and fairness of our political world, indeed, society generally. This is a very serious problem, and it is why I have opposed Reform/Ca in the past. It is not so much the policies they advocate as the willingness to embrace such extreme tactics and strategies to gain power to implement them that troubles me so.
P.S. I hope everyone had a good Christmas and a Happy New Year. I apologize for the intermittent postings the last few months, my health is kinda unstable and I haven't felt like doing more than the occasional commenting at other blogs while I try to keep in some touch with what is going on in the blogosphere.
He told me he was a criminal lawyer by training, so I said to him that he should understand then why I would be so upset at specific criminal allegations being made using faked up evidence. He thanked me, asked that I be willing to hold the Liberals to the same standard, which I do. I also told him though that it is not the Liberals that keep telling me about how they are the only moral/honest/ethical party choice but rather the CPC, and which the Grewal scandal undercuts this completely. The one unfortunate thing is that I was rather passionate/upset, and because I am also having to deal with a severe chest cold and a mild fever from it I was a bit too intense and not really giving him much chance to reply. In that I was not being fair to the man, and if he does call me back or come back to my door I will apologize for that, it is only fair. I also made clear that I knew the May 31 05 release was heavily edited for content, and that I have never heard of another case in our political history where specific criminal allegations were made, that there was conclusive evidence to support the allegation, only to have that allegation to not only turn out to be fake, but that unedited the evidence clearly refutes the specific criminal allegation made.
I do not know if I will ever hear an answer to this, or whether I will simply be written off as a nut, an unreclaimable vote, or some sort of Liberal operative. I did find it interesting though that he assumed I was a Liberal because he never asked me to hold the NDP to the same standards I was holding the CPC, only the Liberals. If I do get an answer, or what the CPC considers an answer I will of course post it here. I do find it interesting to note though that he had no facts on the matter and that his only rebuttals were the accountability act and the fact Grewal was not running this time as if that somehow excused Harper and the CPC leadership for their own actions in this matter. I also made clear from the beginning that I was willing to accept the notion that Harper was played by one of his own, but that still did not excuse him from accountability to tell Canadians this once he realized this, and that his actions of claiming poor Grewal was the victim of a media campaign against him instead was NOT acceptable in my eyes, nor was it in any way indicative of a man interested in accountability. I also told the candidate that I used to be a commercial P.I. which was one of the main reasons I was so pissed about this and having my intelligence insulted so by this affair.
It will be interesting to see what he comes back with, and what he is told by his party leadership. My suspicion is that I will get no answer to who edited the recordings, and why Harper and company did not tell the Canadian public who it was and how this happened that they were played for chumps by whomever did this. That I will be asked to trust in the Act they intend on bringing in, and that the Grewal affair was an unfortunate occurrence. I know that especially CPC supporters think I make far too much of the Grewal affair, that it in their eyes was minor compared to all the Liberal money scandals. However, when any party, any party leader makes specific criminal allegations against anyone let alone political opponents, uses unconfirmed/authenticated evidence and claims it to be authentic and conclusive in nature, only to have that evidence turn out to be faked and that the full evidence exonerates the accused of the specific criminal allegation, what else might they be willing to make false/unconfirmed allegations about? Given we are in the post 9/11/01 world where suspicion is enough to get you sent for torture, where even Canadian citizens have no protections against such treatment, this is a very serious issue. Just ask Maher Arar. Indeed, seems to me that the CA and Harper thought initially that the concerns for this Canadian citizen deported by American to Syria was inappropriate, and that it was working against the so called War on Terror, and that we could and should trust our American brethren on this even where our own citizens are concerned.
Grewal is an unprecedented scandal in our history, and Harper and the CPC have done everything they can to date to pretend it never happened. That they did nothing wrong, whereas the Liberals on the recordings are the ones that should be crucified by the Canadian public and not Grewal or the CPC. When a party leader is willing to use questionable evidence to make serious allegations, especially criminal ones, it speaks clearly to the willingness to use anything no matter how questionable to attack an opponent and the willingness to believe in someone(s) being guilty before proven innocent, in this case even after they are proven innocent. This affair illustrates the embrace of some very disturbing thinking about how a democracy and society governed by the rule of law is supposed to work, and I find this to be a serious threat to the integrity and fairness of our political world, indeed, society generally. This is a very serious problem, and it is why I have opposed Reform/Ca in the past. It is not so much the policies they advocate as the willingness to embrace such extreme tactics and strategies to gain power to implement them that troubles me so.
P.S. I hope everyone had a good Christmas and a Happy New Year. I apologize for the intermittent postings the last few months, my health is kinda unstable and I haven't felt like doing more than the occasional commenting at other blogs while I try to keep in some touch with what is going on in the blogosphere.
3 Comments:
Good to see you feeling well enough to post again. I hope - but doubt - you get some answers to your questions. It's disappointing how far down the memory hole the Grewal affair has dropped. Good on ya for keeping at them on it.
I think you eliminate all political parties by thinking like this. Every party has self-serving members. In this case, it sounds like you singled out Grewal for guilt and attack, then formed additional prejudices. Have there been no other similar scandals in Canada's 138 year history? If a party has multiple scandals (and perhaps more that have yet to be revealed) while as the governing party, is this party better for holding its MPs accountable? Can you expect any party to make every person pleased?
I'm not convinced the Grewal issue is the right one to hinge the election on. Though maybe you weren't writing to convince, just to chronicle. Thanks.
Cheers,
Jonathan
Halifax-West
Jonathon:
I write this because it is as I have said, a truly unprecedented kind of scandal in our history. Money scandals, scandals of political influence being inappropriately used, those are kinds of scandals we have seen before. What was done in the Grewal case was something truly unique, ugly, and dangerous. This is why I maintain the focus I do on it. When you make specific criminal allegations against a PM, claim to have conclusive evidence to support it, spend the next three weeks smashing the PM and Libs with it, only to have it come out the evidence is fake and that unaltered the evidence clearly disproved the allegation made, well then you have a major problem. The fact that the LOO himself was into it up to his neck until the fraud was revealed and then does nothing but cover it up and pretend nothing wrong was done by his party, MP or himself, well then you have a serious problem.
Remember, this was only seven months ago, and it was clearly the largest scandal the CPC had faced since its inception. This is a party that has campaigned on accountability, honesty, transparency, and integrity. Harper himself has had much made of his personal honour and honesty. Yet when push came to shove his and his party's actions when caught in a serious scandal did everything possible to avoid accountability, transparency, and honesty. That for me is a very serious problem, especially when viewed with the hypocrisy of the campaign message.
If this were a more traditional type of scandal I would not have reacted so severely and with such focus. This is serious not so much because of who did it or what political party they belonged to, but rather in the inherent nature of the scandal itself, its unprecedented nature, and the clear attempt to hide this from Canadians when the fraud was revealed instead of the CPC and Harper taking their lumps for being led into slander and defamation by one of their own MPs.
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